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Posted: July 8, 2008 3:28:03 pm
The Star's Kevin Collison and Joyce Smith recently put together a pretty comprehensive article about the many social dress codes at work in the Kansas City area. You can read their full article here and here's a handy dandy PDF that gets down to brass tacks.

That should put all of those pesky profiling complaints and nasty discrimination claims to rest for good. Any thoughts?

Last edited July 8, 2008 3:34:50 pm
Posted: July 8, 2008 9:14:38 pm
Hehe, it's like this...and please take this literally: The world doesn't revolve around you! Sooo, if your choice of fashion doesn't fit every freakin place you wanna go...either change it or don't go. It's just fashion. It's not an effen "statement" to what genre of music you like that anyone else gives a flip about. Grow the hell UP!
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Posted: July 9, 2008 8:19:58 am
I have to agree with Paulie, if you want to go into a nice establishment, abide by their dresscode. I'm so tired of people complaining about the P & L not letting people in based on their color. Thats a lot of bullsh*t, dress for the occassion. If you want to dress like a thug then go hang out at the clubs that allow that type of attire. You wouldn't wear your hip-hop attire to church so waht makes it right for you to wear it to certain establishments that are trying to maintain a nice and pleasant environment.
Posted: July 9, 2008 12:45:03 pm
Ignorance at its highest level.

First of all everyone in KC who pays taxes, supported P & L so everyone should have the option of being admitted as long as their attire is reasonable. What does "dressing like a thug" look like? I'm sure it could look like me or my crew any weekend and believe me we are FAR from thugs. I know MANY a progressive, educated, civil and PAID person who has been denied at P&Land other establishments for "thug dress attire". If I can't get in for wearing Timberland boots, then the next guy shouldnt be able to get in for wearing cowboy boots. If you are going to make rules for acceptable, make them across the board. I've witnessed individuals be admitted with shorts, flip flops and royals jerseys on, while the next "thug" was denied because his jeans were too big. Whatever that means...

Like I said ignorance at its highest level
Posted: July 9, 2008 1:48:36 pm
Well maybe you should get a pir of cowboy boots so you can get in the next time. I never said it was a black -vs- white thing. An establishment has the right to inforce any dress code that they wish. Go to andy club outside of the P&L and thye have the same type dress codes. I've been to several clubs that will not allow certain type of clothing. This is a billion dollar investment the city has made and they just want to keep it nice for vistors and not let it get rundown like a lot of the city has become. There's a reason 18th and Vine doesn't do much business. Just take a look around that place, its a ghetto.
Posted: July 9, 2008 2:10:32 pm
I never said anything about black vs. white. You just ASSumed thats what I was speaking about. I'm sure you already know about assumptions, you seem like a smart guy.

To your point about any other clubs having dress codes, my tax dollars didnt support those clubs so I frankly dont give a damn. And like I said I dont have a problem with dress codes, just make sure they are enforced across the board and not meant to prevent just one type of patron from entering.

18th & Vine sucks because there are no businesses there and the people who run the Jazz Redevelopment don't know how to attract biz. Not because its "a ghetto" Holla at me when youve done your homework and got your facts straight.
Posted: July 9, 2008 3:23:12 pm
I don't want to make it a black & white issue so I will substitute the issue by calling it "Assumptions". I am new to this city or area; 5 months exactly. I don't wear thuggish looking clothing or clothing that I would make me look like a threat to you if you standing in line beside, but the problem is that this club/bar owners, managers, and door guys get too caught up in the bosses orders to enforce these dress codes which entails turns it into a racial issue because "Walaa"....Assumptions...i.e. I was at an establishment in Overland Park (97th & Quivera) so figure that out. I had a ball cap on backwards, so I looked on the patio and saw other patrons wearing ball caps backswards, so I thought okay...the place allows ballcaps....The doorman asks if my bill is straight on my cap, and I replied yes...He then said you have to bend your hat in order to get in. Now my hat cost me $35, and in saying that I am not going to ruin my hat and belittle myself just to get a buzz in there establishment. It is basically a catch 22 for me because every weekend I go out I make sure I am dressed code for the place I am going to go and this is not totally based on my individual style bc it is a stereo type based off of Assumptions.

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Posted: July 9, 2008 3:33:13 pm
paulie said:
Hehe, it's like this...and please take this literally: The world doesn't revolve around you! Sooo, if your choice of fashion doesn't fit every freakin place you wanna go...either change it or don't go. It's just fashion. It's not an effen "statement" to what genre of music you like that anyone else gives a flip about. Grow the hell UP!


Great call, Paulie. When it's OK to your taste or behavior, as in someone being banned from doing something legal (like wearing a t-shirt) in a public place, all is good and we should grow up.

When it doesn't suit your taste or behavior (like smoking a cigarette in that same place) you're apoplectic. And we should all grow up.

PS - I'm glad you shaved your beard. You look younger.
Posted: July 9, 2008 3:40:58 pm
Ditto on "ignorance at its highest level." But I'm going to give you some scope. Hopefully you will see the discrimination, and change your thoughts. Sure, there are people complaining about the dress code and crying racism because they can't get in to the Power & Light District with their boxers showing and sagging baggy jeans. Frankly, most middle to upper class blacks don't like being engulfed in an environment with "those types" either. For instance, the "black" First Fridays: you can't get in to the monthly event wearing jeans. Patrons have known this for years, and dress accordingly. It' still draws a good-size crowd. A dress code is not the problem here. It's that there are white people littering Power & Light District establishments in flagrant violation of the dress code, and blacks clothed in similar attire cannot enter. I, with my own two eyes, have seen two white men walking around Mosaic, of all places, rocking Billy Butler jerseys. A black man would be considered a fool for trying the same thing. This is obvious racial discrimination. Shall I take this discriminatory plea a step further? Look at the roster of places inside the partially taxpayer-funded District: There's Tengo Sed Cantina (Mexican-themed), Mosaic (techno/house until your head hurts), Angel's Rock Bar (obvious in the title), Lucky Strike, McFadden's (Irish pub), Raglan Road (Another Irish Pub), PBR Big Sky (Country Western), Vinino (Italian and Tango) and Howl at the Moon (Frat-like environment piano bar). That's nine nightspots in The District with eight themes that cater to different/diverse crowds. But mysteriously there's not one place that remotely attempts to appease an upscale black crowd or with a commonly perceived "black style" of music. There's no jazz cafe, no soul lounge, no - here's that ominous word people love to misuse - hip hop spot ... in an establishment of its stature in a city where 45 percent of population is black and the taxpayers have chipped in? Really? I wonder why that is? You put that together with this whole dress code discrimination thing and it makes you wonder if the Cordish Co. wants ANY black people in its establishments. A good number of my black friends who can get in The District don't feel comfortable in there because there's LITTLE (read: nothing) there for them to do. Top on the dress code discrimination and it damn near takes us back to the "separate but equal" era. Let's just add to the Power & White slogan. Let's call it "Power & White: Separate But Equal," because that's what it seems like these previous commenters (including those on The Star's web site) and the Cordish Co. want. And if that's how you want it/like it, there's something seriously wrong with you.


Last edited July 9, 2008 6:24:57 pm
Posted: July 9, 2008 4:15:40 pm
Damn Dmansmi...I wanted to take it a step further and say what you just said...but you really hit it on the head and spoke truth. I agree totally with what your saying....I wouldn't call it Power & White in my opinion but the place doesn't appeal to culture in keeping maturity and class in mind. I noticed my first time there that there weren't any "hip hop" places there and the closet you get to hip hop is Whitney Houstion I wanna love somebody in everyplace everyweekend. In saying that to kinda go against the grain with your last comment.....in my opinion more than lots of cities.....per capita Kansas City has lots of thugs White & Black...(just go to a Royals baseball game and have a cigarette...no offense), therefore would lots of those same thugs get turned down if there was a place that was playing T.I. and Jay-Z at P&L?
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